tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post116120704514530441..comments2024-02-15T12:08:49.940-05:00Comments on Sojourner: Why I Am Still PremillenialBrad Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00197301845256854051noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-51671974940081959312009-05-10T08:09:00.000-04:002009-05-10T08:09:00.000-04:00I guess it was not "finished", let's...I guess it was not "finished", let's finish death & satan a second time!<br /><br />So there was no victory over satan or death at calvary? or I guess it was just partial?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-1165713623068073932006-12-09T20:20:00.000-05:002006-12-09T20:20:00.000-05:00clearly even in premillenial thinking sin is here ...clearly even in premillenial thinking sin is here when Jesus reigns 1000 literal years. saying satan is bound would be wrong by looking at it your way as you debunk amillenialism. in both cases sin is here. Clearly the number 1000 is never literal in scripture. all the words used in revelations 20 are symbolic words with a real meaning. If satan is truely bound by chains then what about paul? was he literally bound by the gospel? no, it was a figure of speech. The ones part of the first ressurection are all the saved ever who accept Christ who is the first ressurection (john 5). They are saved from the second death. This is the context of the passage. Satan is loosed after the 1000 years and he and the ressurected dead souls (the lost) will try to make war with us (in the new jerusalem- a spiritual battle). Its amazing once i discovered these truths I found out pretrib millenial believers wont debate the word. When i started using these facts and much more they run and hide so to speak. I think the reason is no verses ever really says what they preach unfortunately.Stacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04297361540402229289noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-1161400074835051502006-10-20T23:07:00.000-04:002006-10-20T23:07:00.000-04:00Kim Riddlebarger does a much better job explaining...Kim Riddlebarger does a much better job explaining that in his book "A Case for Amillenialism" than I could ever do myself.<BR/><BR/>In an article posted here-<BR/>http://www.graceonlinelibrary.org/articles/full.asp?id=9|24|693<BR/>He writes- <BR/>"The events in Revelation 20 do not take place on the Earth at all, for the thrones described in that passage are in heaven, and not on the Earth."<BR/><BR/>Read the article for how he unacks it. It makes a lot of sense.<BR/><BR/>Also check out William Hendriksen's More Than Conquerors.<BR/><BR/>I can't say I agree with every detail in either book--but they present the most coherent and straight forward views on Rev 20 I have ever seen.pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06341946961084387134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-1161310862184711592006-10-19T22:21:00.000-04:002006-10-19T22:21:00.000-04:00Pilgrim, I think then the onus would be to explain...Pilgrim, I think then the onus would be to explain Rev. 20 which here Brad clearly believes (as do I) is future tense. <BR/><BR/>That being the case, we could not possibly be in the millenium at this point.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07281425856398968419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-1161310564427164002006-10-19T22:16:00.000-04:002006-10-19T22:16:00.000-04:00In one sense Israel is not the Church, depending o...In one sense Israel is not the Church, depending on how you mean that.<BR/><BR/>God's people are God's people, and God has used different ways of administering that--the outward form wasn't always Israel either.<BR/><BR/>For example--when did Israel start?<BR/><BR/>God has always had one bride--outwardly the look may change--but they are God's one people-God is not a bigamist, nor does he have a plan B--all forms of saying Israel is not the Church seem to boil down to one or the other---that includes those who say the Church replaces Israel--that didn't happen either (That would make the Church plan B)<BR/><BR/>But the Bible sues a lot of the same words, concepts and prophecies about both. The cats & dogs analogy is not convinvcing as "the Elect" are a much more distinct and specific group than "animals."<BR/><BR/>Hebrews treats the Church as the continuation of Israel--as God's people.<BR/><BR/>The elect, or God's people consist of Adam and Eve down through the last soul saved before Christ's return.<BR/><BR/>But you know what? Despite differing in this area I still see you proclaim the truth here. I believe you are a believer, and we disagree in this secondary, but still important area. <BR/><BR/>All eschataological views have areas they seem to break down--none of them are perfect, but I have more issues with full preterism than any others--then Big D Dispensational pre-mill.<BR/><BR/>After that the differences are minor. I respect many men and women who are historical pre-mill, and post mill--and even many who are dispensational.<BR/><BR/>But Amill fits the Bible the best as far as I can see. And I leaned that way before I joined a Presbyterian Church--maybe that's part of the reason I became one. I don't know for sure...pilgrimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06341946961084387134noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-1161282473261987232006-10-19T14:27:00.000-04:002006-10-19T14:27:00.000-04:00Me, too, and I see ordinances, not sacraments, and...Me, too, and I see ordinances, not sacraments, and I see a literal fulfillment of Irael and land, and on, and on, etc., etc....Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-1161279935486551442006-10-19T13:45:00.000-04:002006-10-19T13:45:00.000-04:00Jim,They aren't necessarily intertwined. The Pres...Jim,<BR/><BR/>They aren't necessarily intertwined. The Presby Reformed types also have folks in the Historical Premil and the Post-mil camps.<BR/><BR/>Even So,<BR/><BR/>I can't answer for the "we," but it's mainly because I remain a convinced credo-baptist.Brad Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00197301845256854051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-1161273778088906042006-10-19T12:02:00.000-04:002006-10-19T12:02:00.000-04:00Good question Jim, hey Brad, why aren't we all pre...Good question Jim, hey Brad, why aren't we all presby's?Even So...https://www.blogger.com/profile/14208866122431178938noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-1161270276895280212006-10-19T11:04:00.000-04:002006-10-19T11:04:00.000-04:00You poor guy, trying to balance reformed theology ...You poor guy, trying to balance reformed theology with Biblical eschatology. <BR/><BR/>At least you see Rev. 20 in a proper light. I think that one is quite plain in its narrative.<BR/><BR/>My million dollar question is; why is amil. teaching and reformed theology so closely intertwined? Does one lead to the other?<BR/><BR/>God bless,<BR/>JimJimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07281425856398968419noreply@blogger.com