tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post5854618055642998813..comments2024-02-15T12:08:49.940-05:00Comments on Sojourner: Apologetic FrustrationBrad Williamshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00197301845256854051noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-74936266104617472982007-09-18T15:01:00.000-04:002007-09-18T15:01:00.000-04:00I too have had the opportunity to have conversatio...I too have had the opportunity to have conversations with Mormons on several occasions. If there are winners and losers in such conversations, then I have won, lost and tied. The loss was by a wide margin and the most memorable. I have had zero luck with pointing out failed prophesy and such. I think (but don't know) that it is because the Mormon "church" has erased or hidden those from the history they teach. My guess is that "concentrating on the prophet himself" would meet with much the same response.<BR/><BR/>I beleive the best I have done in such a conversation was by concentrating on the law, the sinfulness of each of us, and how all of our acts of righteousness are as filthy rags. Along with that I gave my own salvation testimony.<BR/><BR/>I think it may be worth pursuing the fact that our God's name means self existant one, which I think would clearly show him to be a different God than they worship. Just a thought. I have not found time to prepare for that. Even that may be fruitless, since they will likely claim it as a mis-translation.<BR/><BR/>I am fairly serious about being able to witness to these people when they come to my door, to the point that I am reading the book of Mormon in my spare "spare time." Much of it so far is just paraphrasing of the KJV (in JKV era english), but out of context, mixing old and new testament verses, and of course attributing them to other "prophets" <BR/><BR/>Its a tough one.St. Leehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01238671101561121436noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-44807240216444100932007-09-14T15:39:00.000-04:002007-09-14T15:39:00.000-04:00Thanks Kevin. That was sort of the thought I had ...Thanks Kevin. That was sort of the thought I had as they left. Next time, I'll concentrate on the "prophet" himself.Brad Williamshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00197301845256854051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-23647989581805044162007-09-13T15:31:00.000-04:002007-09-13T15:31:00.000-04:00Hey brother,It's been a couple of years since we h...Hey brother,<BR/>It's been a couple of years since we have been in this same scenario you depicted. Elizabeth and I spent many hours in discussions with the "missionaries."<BR/> When two seminary students get together, they can rightly discuss/engag in argumentation over the issues of ecclesiology, pneumatology, etc because they speak the same language. However, trying to communicate doctrine to an LDS devotee is like a mechanic trying to explain fixing a transmission to a vacuum cleaner salesperson....not impossible, but most improbable that clear understanding will be achieved.<BR/> Having said that, you know as well as I do that LDS/Mormonism rise and falls with ol' Joe himself. Did you know that he took many wives, several of whom were already married at the time!!?? Did you know he advocated polygamy as the only means to attaining godhood? This was a new and everlasting covenant (i.e. polygamy leading to godhood)that he received only to be done away with when the US Govt opposed it, and it was rescinded...so much for everlasting.<BR/> After bringing up these, and several other, amjor deviations/contradictions that have occurred in LDS doctrine over the years, I focus on the clear differences between what the Bible says about soteriology and eternal security, since they can never really know for sure, because their slavation(a typo, but accurate nonetheless) is based on keeping the whole of the law. I feel it is our job to present the truth anbd the Holy Spirit will do the rest. <BR/>Let me recommend a video that was sent to us called "Lifting the veil of polygamy" produced by former Mormons. - website is www.lhvm.org<BR/>Very good stuff. Hope you and the fam are all doing great...KAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13639235.post-51362807750204843212007-09-12T16:33:00.000-04:002007-09-12T16:33:00.000-04:00It's hard to debate subjective feelings. I've had...It's hard to debate subjective feelings. I've had experiences where mormons have discussed this burning in their hearts that tell them that mormonism is true. I've refered them to Jeremiah 17:9<BR/><BR/>Isaiah 44: 6,8 "no other gods"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com